{"id":10724,"date":"2011-06-02T07:07:12","date_gmt":"2011-06-02T07:07:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/traditionalknowledge.org\/?page_id=4328"},"modified":"2020-03-01T16:54:54","modified_gmt":"2020-03-01T10:54:54","slug":"unut-a-mazar-worshipper-if-we-were-christians-we-would-have-been-liked-by-them","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"http:\/\/aigine.kg\/?page_id=10724&lang=en","title":{"rendered":"Unut, a mazar worshipper: &quot; If we were christians we would have been liked by them&#8230;&quot;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Unut, Talas region<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em>This text was published in the book \u2018Mazar Worship in Kyrgyzstan: Rituals and Practitioner in Talas\u2019 by Aigine, Bishkek, 2007. <\/em><em>Translated from Kyrgyz.<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Now I am 75, I have taken the responsibility to follow <em>kyrgyzchylyk<\/em> since I was 27.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Great barriers for mazar visiting occurred in the Soviet epoch. The Russians persecuted <em>moldos<\/em> and <em>b\u00fcb\u00fcs<\/em>, and we were called deceivers. They would say: \u201cWe have physicians, go to them; we do not need those who are called <em>moldo<\/em> and <em>b\u00fcb\u00fc<\/em><em>s<\/em>\u201d. When we were young, <em>moldos<\/em> were sent to jail in Siberia and they were there for ten years. I was also questioned about this.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Thus they wanted to destroy our own religion and transfer our beliefs to that of the Russians. If we were Christians, we would have been liked by them. As for us we worshipped God and prayed five times a day.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Before Kyrgyzstan gained independence, I once was questioned. One day a militia man came and said that I was being called to Kirovka. I knew that they were not calling me for simple things. When I came there somebody\u2019s voice asked from inside: \u201cHave you brought a <em>b\u00fcb\u00fc?<\/em>\u201d\u00a0When I entered I saw a public prosecutor. When I took a seat he had a glance at me; to me he appeared to be a young boy. \u201cI thought that you would be an old woman, God strike you, being young! How dare you fool people?\u201d he asked me. I said: \u201cWill God strike you or strike me? Why are you saying God strike you, He knows whom to strike and whom not to strike. Speak after thinking first!\u201d He said: \u201cSee her how she is speaking. She seems not to be frightened at all\u201d. I said: \u201cYou are not God who created me. My soul will be taken only by God, I fear only God. For what crime have you called me here? I cannot help taking this sacred quality (<em>kasiet<\/em>), which has been passed from seven fathers. In front of God I will tell of this\u201d. He asked: \u201cAre you a <em>b\u00fcb\u00fc<\/em>?\u201d \u201cI am\u201d, answered I. He said: \u201cTake her to a jail and keep her there.\u201d I was sitting in the prison for 3 days; on the fourth day my brother came and released me.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Once my own sister sent me a young man from KGB<em>.<\/em> We were going to visit Boztektir, and he offered to find a car. But I said that I myself could find a car. When we reached Boztektir he came after us. That time we started to perform <em>zikir chaluu <\/em><em>(q.v.)<\/em> and when I was speaking of that young man, somebody from outside said something. As a result \u2013 <em>zikir<\/em> <em>chaluu <\/em>was broken. As soon as it is interrupted, you can see nothing. I took that young man by his head and just started to tell him: \u201cYou are young; yet even though you are young you have never done good things for anybody\u201d. Everything could have been told, but I did not mention his other activities including those of spying on me.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">At that time I had many <em>b\u00fcb\u00fcs<\/em>. Once a militia man came and said that he would take these <em>b\u00fcb\u00fcs<\/em> with him. I said: \u201cDarling, son, do not touch them, they are praying to God because of their health. They also believe in only one God, what else they should do\u201d. After a number of days another militia man\u2019s son, who was 5 years old, became deadly ill; his tongue being curved, he was not able to speak. One of the militia man\u2019s friends suggested that he take the boy to a woman healer and show his son to her. The boy recovered after performing <em>zikir<\/em> <em>chaluu <\/em>three times and was able again to speak.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Afterwards that militia man presented me with a kerchief. It was after that that the militia man I talked about before caught me. For that man no good should be done. That time when he opened the door and entered, my eyes opposed his eyes. I said to another boy: \u201cThat fellow, whom you have come with to me, persecuted me before\u201d and apparently, he went and beat him severely, afterwards. He said to me then: \u201cI told him when your son could not speak that my sister was good to you; because she had healed your son, you ought not to have done harm to her\u201d. After that I really was disappointed with people.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Those times I stopped healing people. Before that, as many as seventy or eighty people would come to me each Thursday. Then I was disappointed with people. I thought it useless, so I began to heal only those close to me \u2013 relatives, siblings, those who were from my tribe.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Present <em>b\u00fcb\u00fcs\u2019<\/em> <em>zikir chaluu<\/em> are not interrupted when a man is passing by, even when one cries or shouts. I am surprised with nowadays <em>b\u00fcb\u00fcs<\/em>. Just in 2-3 years, their eyes appear to be clear and they start wearing white dresses. This work is very hard. It is necessary to prayfive times a day, not to tell gossip, not to steal. If one does not understand it, even though you may explain it to him thousands of time, still he will not get it.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In the Soviet time mazars were visited only by sick people, never by healthy ones as happens now. Those who do not have headaches do not pay much attention to God. As for now if you visit the mazar, you may see different wonders. But I am grateful very much that we could preserve our own religion. At that time if we had gone on living together with Russians, and before dying, we might not have been able even to pronounce <em>kelme <\/em><em>(q.v.)<\/em>. I had assumed that old <em>moldos<\/em> would pass from life and new ones would not appear. In our religion it is said not to steal, not to do harm to anybody. If you have something in your hand give a part of it to those who are poor, as it is said. If you go to a Russian\u2019s home you are never invited to come in. But they are as relatives of ours. However, they departed from their own God themselves and became non-believers. We are all born from Father Adam and Mother Eva (<em>Obo<\/em>). She gave birth to 24 twins. Marriage through exchange with each other has been done by the will of God. But Russians would marry only each other within their own group; that is why their eyes stayed blue.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In the time of persecution as soon as God sent me to the mazar I went there. But I would go at nights. Once when going to the mazar at night through the autumn wheat field, hiding ourselves, we heard the barking of a dog. After a while we heard a child\u2019s crying voice. When we reached Booterek, a car which was pursuing us reached us. I hid myself in an autumn wheat field and sat there for a time. They came to Booterek and searched for me with a car light in all the sides of Booterek. That time I could not reach Booterek. The dog\u2019s barking warned me. As for the cry of a child that meant that God received my prayers, and that I may be back. I had left home at night, at 10 o\u2019clock. So I came back home early in the morning.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The fact that those people persecuted us had a bad impact upon them. The public prosecutor, a young man, with whom I had quarreled, telling each other God will strike you, died in a month after that. He died in his office. People never learned the secret of his death.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">When I was visiting mazars in spite of all these barriers, my parents and children were not against it. They are all believers. Yet if independence had not been gained, if persecutions had intensified and prohibitions strengthened, <em>kyrgyzchylyk<\/em> would have disappeared. We would leave our own religion and enter that of Russian\u2019s one. Those who do not understand anything are converting to other religions now.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">When I started to follow <em>kyrgyzchylyk<\/em>, there was a great <a href=\"http:\/\/174.120.211.98\/Articles\/ViewArticle.aspx?id=141\"><em>b\u00fcb\u00fc<\/em><\/a> whose name was Kanykei\u2019; she lived in the Lenin collective farm which is not far from ours. I fell sick and heard about her from people. She healed me. It was she who directed me the right way. That <em>b\u00fcb\u00fc<\/em> died having not managed to fully open my eyes. So I became an orphan without the master. I visited all other <em>b\u00fcb\u00fcs<\/em> and <em>bakhshys<\/em>. Then I went to Baba Ata mazar and learned my way.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">It is necessary to have a master for those who follow <em>kyrgyzchylyk<\/em>. Master shows you the way to go. For this he makes me know my people<a href=\"http:\/\/174.120.211.98\/$sitepreview\/tk.aigine.kg\/Articles\/ViewArticle.aspx?id=121#_ftn1\">[1]<\/a>.\u00a0Mastership (<em>ustattyk<\/em>) is inherited from our forefathers. It is said that even if you serve your master for forty years it is not enough to be free from moral debt to him.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I have many students throughout Talas.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em>Based on the interview of Zarima Ibraimova, a student of the Talas State University, Department of History<\/em><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/174.120.211.98\/$sitepreview\/tk.aigine.kg\/Articles\/ViewArticle.aspx?id=121#_ftnref1\">[1]<\/a> In this case \u201cmy people\u201d means spirits or supernatural forces, which support her in real life<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Unut, Talas region This text was published in the book \u2018Mazar Worship in Kyrgyzstan: Rituals and Practitioner in Talas\u2019 by Aigine, Bishkek, 2007. Translated from Kyrgyz. Now I am 75, I have taken the responsibility to follow kyrgyzchylyk since I was 27. Great barriers for mazar visiting occurred in the Soviet epoch. 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